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Move an Article[edit source]


I need to move an article and its talk page. San Diego Family History Library to San Diego California Large Multi-Stake Family History Center. And a redirect needs to be made for the former to the later.

I tried the Wikipedia format, but that did not seem to work.  Apparently, our Director wants to conform exactly with the new rulings from the FHC Department. Any help appreicated. Jrcrin001 18:48, 3 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi. I'm not sure what you mean by Wikipedia format, but to answer you question about moving an article, if you are using the new look skin the when you are viewing the article select move from the Views section of the right-hand sidebar. You will be taken to a new screen where the name of the article is given twice, the second time in a box called To new article. Type in this box the new name of the article and if your moving an associated talk page make sure the Move the associated talk page option is checked. When you've done this select the Move page button. The wiki software will then move the page and automatically create redirects from the old title to the new title. If you want some more information about the process you may want to review the Help:Renaming a page article --Steve 19:12, 3 August 2010 (UTC)
I am more used to the Wikipedia format here.  This version of wiki is different. Thanks to your info, I was able to move the article without a problem. Actually, it was easier than the other Wikipedia. Add those to another wiki format I dable with and I sometimes get confused over what works where and when in each wiki!  Thank you! Jrcrin001 06:04, 4 August 2010 (UTC)
I'm glad that you found it straight forward :) --Steve 12:19, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Guidelines Template[edit source]

Chris Lake and I like your idea about changing the Contributor invite template:

I think that when a person comes to the wiki to learn more about a collection of records they would like to get straight to the specific information about the article subject.
Does the new Style guide section warrant being place before the Foreign Language Title and the Record Description etc.? Would it not be possible to include information about the style guide in the new {{Contributor invite}} template
For example:
We welcome user additions to FamilySearch Historical Records wiki articles. Guidelines are available to help you make changes. Thank you for any contributions you may provide. If you would like to get more involved join the FamilySearch Records Project.
--Steve 16:38, 5 August 2010 (UTC)

If you have time, feel free to do it yourself. If not, let Chris know and he will add this. I appreciate your ideas. Streamlining is great. If there isn't a way to use a find and replace sort of function, we'll have our missionary, Elder Bloomfield, clean up the records. Thanks again. --HoranDM 14:55, August 6, 2010

Hi Dorothy, I have gone ahead and made some changes to the {{Contributor invite}} template. If you would like to make further changes please go ahead and do so. By making the change, I believe that it makes having a seperate Style guide section is redundant. --Steve 08:00, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Quick Note of Appreciation[edit source]

We wanted to send out a quick letter of appreciation for all your hard work and dedication in getting the FamilySearch Records project off the ground. The information you provide is invaluable to those users who are searching out further information about collections in FamilySearch; it helps them make a deeper connection with their research, especially when it has to do with their own ancestry. It’s your contributions that are keeping the project rolling forward. Thank you.

If you have any questions or concerns, please do not hesitate to contact us. We’d love to hear from you and help you out in any way we can.


The FamilySearch Records Team

Ginabegin 19:59, 12 August 2010 (UTC)

Suggestion for layout for society template[edit source]

Steve, thanks for your hard work on the society template. I have a question. Would it be possible to have the infobox display to the right of (and level with) the table of contents like we used to do with pictures on place pages? I think the Dorset Family History Society page, for example, would look a little sharper if the layout were done this way. I tried in vain to make the change last night, but couldn't figure out how to do it. Do you know a way? RitcheyMT 05:36, 18 August 2010 (UTC)

Question also asked (and answered) at Template talk:Societies --Steve 19:44, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Transfer Research Guidance[edit source]

Steve, I'm working on transfering this information for British Isles and there are a few images I can't copy.  Do you know how to capture these? I have noted them on the task page.  Thanks again for all you do!

Kara 18:21, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Hi Kara, I will help however I can. The task page? I've looked at your recent edits and think that you are refering to British Isles content in FamilySearch Research Helps. Which images are you not able to copy? Can you provide me with a link to the images in question. Or update the task with a comments about copying images. Thanks --Steve 18:46, 24 August 2010 (UTC)

Stub sorting[edit source]

Question, on the wiki stub project there were 116 left after we finished. What I am wondering is there were 30 or more that we did edit, but they didn't go away. Could you tell me why? They were from all over the world, no one specific location. Would just like to know how to have edited them Janedwards 03:10, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

Hi Jan, I found that some of the articles that had been edited had more than one copy of the {{stub}} included on the page. When one was sorted the other kept the article in the Category:Stubs. There was also two articles that did not appear to have the {{stub}} template in the article at all: Anne Arundel County, Maryland and Queen Anne's County, Maryland. This puzzled me at first, but then I realised that something that these two article had in common was the name Anne in the title and I was aware that just after the migration to the single sign on at the end of last year we had a problem with some articles that included in their titles the old username of a person because the system was changing all instances of the old username, even in the main namespace. I then checked the Special:PrefixIndex and found that the database had two copies of each of these pages, but only one copy could be accessed and edited, leading me to believe that I would need to delete the editable copy to get to the other. I tried this theory out in the test version of the wiki proving my assumption was correct before making the change in the production wiki and updating the remaining version with all the latest edits. I hope that helps explain why it was difficult to take some pages out of the stubs category. If you have any follow-up questions just let me know. --Steve 06:11, 1 September 2010 (UTC)

FamilySearch Collection Template Link Change[edit source]

Hi Steve, I am in need of your expertise. As you know FSbeta is now the main source for FamilySearch Collections so there is a need to change the  Template:FamilySearch Collections so that it directs to the beta site as opposed to the Record Search site. I was not sure where to link to in the template and wanted your impute so I didn't mess anything up. Thanks, let me know if this is not clear. LakeCL 17:45, 12 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Chris, I have amended the template {{RecordSearch}} so that it now uses links to the beta site. This template is used in {{FamilySearch Collection}} to produce the links within that header template. Please let me know if you find any links that aren't working after this change. --Steve 11:52, 13 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi Steve we have a problem with the template links not taking everyone to the beta collections. It works fine using Google Chrome or Firefox as your browser. But if you use Internet Explorer It goes to a blank page on FSBeta when you click on the template link. Do you know if this could be a problem with IE or perhaps beta itself? or what? Thanks for you help LakeCL 15:23, 14 October 2010 (UTC)
Hi Chris, sorry about that. I think the problem was that I used http instead of https in the generating the URLs. I've checked the links with IE7 (I don't have access to other versions). Please let me know if this fixes the problems on all versions of IE. --Steve 16:13, 14 October 2010 (UTC)

County infobox adaptations[edit source]

Hi, Steve,

We want to test a few things with the county infoboxes, and are wondering how feasable this is.

  • Adjusting the width of it (either wider or narrower). How much flexibility does it have, and will it automatically make all the images bigger?
  • Adding or removing a section of it. We do need this to test the infobox to put the page-adoption banners. And there will eventually be multiple page adopters, instead of only one. We need one to test this concept to show the page adoption community.

AdkinsWH 19:39, 29 October 2010 (UTC)

Hi Wilma, the current {{Infobox U.S. County}} has a fixed width of of 21em. This width could be changed but I would encourage the principle of keeping these types of infoboxes being the same width throughout the site. If the width of the infobox is changed, it does not change the size of the images used inside the infobox. Most have a default width of 200px, but images sizes can be set independently.
Sections of an infobox are only displayed if content is added to that section. We could also make sections of the infobox collapsible.
At the moment the adoption signs have been added to a article outside of an infobox. If I understand your question right, you would like to see these adoption signs (possibly more than one) placed inside the infobox. This can be done. Where about in the infobox structure do see them being added. At the top, in the middle at the end? If in the middle between which current sections? --Steve 14:47, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, Steve. I just learned that this is where I should look for your response. Yes, we are trying to find a great place to put the page adopter signs that looks good. Infoboxes is an interesting way to experiment with. I would like to experiment with replacing the map that shows where the state is in the US with the adoption sign(s). Nathan Murphy and I are just playing with ideas for now. With your information, we will get back to you.AdkinsWH 16:41, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi again, Steve. Will you mind moving the Adopt-A-Page sign into the infobox for Shelby County, Tennessee? Perhaps in place of the US map showing where Tennessee is located. Also, please add the little box under the adoption sign, so we can fill in contact information or a url for the page adopter, similar to the way the county courthouse is done. Thanks VERY MUCH.

Thanks for the additional information. I will make the desired amendments and use Shelby County, Tennessee as a working example. --Steve 09:19, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi Wilma, I have amended the {{Infobox U.S. County}} template so that it can now include an adoption sign and have updated Shelby County, Tennessee to use this new code. I have placed this under the title and before the heading Map as the adoption sign is not a map. Thinking about your request for further details relating to the adopting organisation. I think these would be better made to the adoption sign template so that you can add it once and the details appear where the sign has been used. Question for you. Will there be instances where you would like the further details to be displayed and other places where just the sign with no further details should be displayed? --Steve 16:30, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi Steve -- I've been working with Wilma on this. Thanks for inserting the adoption sign within the infobox. It may become necessary to have different descriptions under the adoption sign for each county. We were thinking it might be easier to include what amounts to a caption in the infobox where that information can be added, rather than a separate template for each. Each one will probably only appear on one page, so I don't know if we need to be able to make one change in a template that will change the signs across the board. Could we go ahead and make it possible to have a "Web" box directly under the adoption sign. We are meeting with the page adopters today at 1:00 MST and would love to demonstrate this. Murphynw 15:31, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
HI Nathan, What do you mean by web box? If you could give examples that would help, but I'm thinking that if I added an additional parameter to the {{adoption sign}} template so that in addition to the standard text within the sign for a particular adopting org that there could be an additional line of text that could be customised for each placement of the sign. Does that sound like it would meet your needs. I will mock-up an example. --Steve 17:59, 10 November 2010 (UTC)

Examples[edit source]

Without a custom message[edit source]

Adopt-a-wiki page
FHAM.JPG This page adopted by:
The Fictional Genealogical Society and its members
who welcome you to contribute.
Adopt a page today

Thanks, for your help on these, Steve. The custom message idea is very interesting. We'll talk more about this.

With a custom message[edit source]

Example now also positioned inside a US county infobox

Example, Place
Founded information needed
County Seat
Adopt-a-wiki page
FHAM.JPG This page adopted by:
The Fictional Genealogical Society and its members
who welcome you to contribute.
Custom message and link. The text can be as long and contain whatever you like
Adopt a page today

Steve -- these with a custom message are WONDERFUL! Couldn't be better.
Now, can it be placed immediately under the MAP section? I tried on the talk page for Yell County, Arkansas, but couln't get it to move. Thanks AdkinsWH 23:54, 2 December 2010 (UTC)
Hi Wilma, I have moved the adoption sign within the {{Infobox U.S. County}}, so that it is now below the maps and above the facts section. --Steve 11:23, 3 December 2010 (UTC)
Thank you, thank you. Hope this works for everyone.
PS Sometimes I find myself sending an email that you should be part of. Shall we still just do things here and I'll try to remember? AdkinsWH 21:46, 3 December 2010 (UTC)

Adoption Signs for banner-type logos[edit source]

We have had a wonderful logo submitted, but being banner-type (wide), it does not display well in the current adoption sign. Example: Seminole Nation of Oklahoma

What do you suggest? Thanks, Wilma PS Hope you don't get too tired of us asking for all this help. You are very much appreciated for this and so much more that you do.

Hi Wilma, I have amended {{Adoption Seminole Nation, I.T.}} so that the image fills the width of the adoption sign. Did the example with the extra text meet your need of having a caption for the adoption sign? --Steve 08:20, 12 November 2010 (UTC)
Hi Steve and Wilma. I like the customizable adoption sign. Mind if I play around with it? This is just what I was hoping for, but didn't know how to build it myself. Can this be inserted into an infobox? Murphynw 19:01, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Hi, again, Steve. Very informative session today. Thank you. It was probably a little uncormfortable when we were silent. A lot to absorb.

On the Seminole adoption sign: Can it be made wider? It is on Seminole Indian Reservation (Oklahoma) page, and so small. Just hoping. AdkinsWH 23:16, 23 November 2010 (UTC)

The adoption sign could be made wider, but others are requesting the the current one be made smaller (see Talk:Tennessee as an example of the smaller sized adoption sign). I guess the reason for requesting for it to be made wider is that the text is not readable, even with the banner logo filling the entire width of the sign. Looking at the other adoption signs| many with text are hard to read, but they are recognisable as logos convey meaning even at reduced sizes. --Steve 17:13, 24 November 2010 (UTC)
You are right about not making too many custom adoption signs. I'll tell the adopter.AdkinsWH 23:51, 2 December 2010 (UTC)

Map of French Borders -- it is soooo large[edit source]

In the article Map of French Borders I did try the help/size page by doing ....gif|1000px]]

It didn't show up at all in the preview. Did my error start from the upload?

Want to learn, not just make you do everything! Thanks, Wilma

Hi Wilma, I believe the problem was the file type. I have uploaded a new version France.png that doesn't have the same problems. --Steve 08:17, 8 December 2010 (UTC)

Old microfilm conversions[edit source]

In uncategorized pages under maintenance, there are a large number of old microfilm conversion tables.  The category for these tables are in black as apposed to blue or red.  I've compared the ones the have a blue categorized label to the black ones and I can't see any difference in the code.  Do you know why that is so I can get these off the uncategorized pages in maintenance.

Elder Smith.

Hi Elder Smith, I took a look at those pages, where the category link was not active and found that they were all on pages where there no space between the word conversion and the numbers in the article title. This meant that the template used in the category (see archive of previous discussion about this feature} was not able to extract the number to be used as the category sort key and in so doing stopped the category from working. I have now renamed/moved these pages and the category link is now working for these page. Thanks for noticing and for brining this to my attention. --Steve 07:53, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks Steve.  Looks like you missed one, however, 10300 - 10307.  Now, how do I get these categorized pages to fall off the "uncategorized pages" category in Maintenance?

Elder Smith

I couldn't move Old microfilm number conversion10300-10307 as the correct title is already in use, Old microfilm number conversion 10300-10307 (with a working category). The mistitled page is also blank and looks like it needs deleting, after the pages linking to it are redirected. As for the special page lists. I believe you will find that the list of uncategorized pages may not automatically update right away, it may take 30mins or so (maybe more) depending on how busy the server is. --Steve 16:36, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Steve - please fix your user page for me- so sorry - then please erase this message :)