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== Agenda  ==
 
== Agenda  ==
 
Please excuse Wilma. She is on a research trip until the end of April.And also James Tanner...<br>
 
  
 
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<br>Anyone new to this meeting? <br>
 
<br>Anyone new to this meeting? <br>
  
'''Meeting Participants:''' Jana Stokes, Patsy Hendrickson, Liz Snow, Marilyn Markham, Maren Jensen
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'''Meeting Participants:'''  
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Jana, Marilyn, Liz, Wilma<br>Excused: Maren Jeppson, Lois Fowles, Patsy Hendrickson&nbsp;
  
 
== News and Events  ==
 
== News and Events  ==
  
*Jane Colmenares can give great training. Contact Wilma (whadkins@burgoyne.com) if interested.
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*May 17 [http://www.ugagenealogy.org/cpage.php?pt=11 Your Head in the Cloud and Your Feet on the Ground] presented by Bret Petersen, UGA Board Member. This is the UGA Virtual Chapter meeting which occurs every 3rd Thursday, 7:00 p.m. (Mountain).
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*June 9 (Saturday) [http://www.murrayfamilyhistoryfair.com/ Murray Family History Fair] Saturday, June 9th. Click on Classes.
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*June 16 (Saturday) [http://ugagenealogy.org/aem.php?eid=22 Mormon History Bus Tours] of Echo Canyon and of East Canyon.
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*July 31-Aug 3 [http://ce.byu.edu/cw/cwgeneal/ BYU Conference] on Family History &amp; Genealogy
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*August 18 (Saturday) [http://www.ugagenealogy.org/events.php UGA Regional Conference] '''Cedar City'''
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*September 21 and 22 (Friday and Saturday) [http://www.ugagenealogy.org/events.php UGA Regional Conference] '''Sandy'''
  
 
*1940 Census Help [http://ugagenealogy.org/ UGA's project] with FamilySearch Indexing.  
 
*1940 Census Help [http://ugagenealogy.org/ UGA's project] with FamilySearch Indexing.  
*[http://www.ugagenealogy.org/cpage.php?pt=11 UGA Virtual Chapter], every 3rd Thursday, 7:00 p.m. (Mountain). 19 April topic: '''1940 census''' with Tom McGill, FamilySearch
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*Creation of '''Utah Wiki Project Forum''' (date to be announced- but soon Forums were changed yesterday -- there is a thread for Wiki Projects. There is a new subforum. Put up a page in the wiki and thread in forums.
*Saturday, June 9th, a Family History Fair will be held in Murray. Sponsored by Regional stakes. Details will follow.
 
*'''BYU''' July31- Aug 3, [http://ce.byu.edu/cw/cwgeneal/ BYU Conference] on Family History &amp; Genealogy
 
*'''Cedar City''' (August 18th) and '''Sandy''' (September 21 and 22) [http://www.ugagenealogy.org/events.php UGA Regional Conferences]
 
*Creation of '''Utah Wiki Project Forum''' (date to be announced- but soon)
 
  
 
== Review of last meeting  ==
 
== Review of last meeting  ==
  
*Wednesday, [[FamilySearch Wiki:WikiProject Utah Community Meeting 2012 Apr 11|11 Apr]]
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*Wednesday, [[FamilySearch Wiki:WikiProject Utah Community Meeting 2012 Apr 18|18 Apr]]
  
 
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[[User:ElizabethSnow|Liz Snow]] 16:12, 18 April 2012 (UTC) Committee needs:&nbsp;
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== Progress reports  ==
  
clarification on the tips and the tip bank and its location. Will it be on county page, state page, its own page, where will the links be.&nbsp;
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*See current "Tip" icon: [[Utah Newspapers#Digital_Issues_Online|Utah Newspapers]] What do you think?
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*Newspapers task: Several counties done, soon will be testing the instructions on new people (who could turn out to be contributors. A bigger purpose is to make the task instructions "doable," in case others want to do the same for their states or counties.
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*Three meetings with Jana, Liz, and Wilma. Our objective is to get something started on a topic, so people in the regular meeting can respond, give feedback, add ideas, suggest resources. We also organize notes from previous discussions so we can move forward steadily.
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*Ideas for formatting Vital Records have been set forth. More in the discussion area.
  
 
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Discussion:&nbsp;
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== Idea share  ==
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Review wording, etc. for the [[Beaver County, Utah Newspapers|county newspaper page]].
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=== Task for brief discussion  ===
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Topics that may need less discussion: Leader/assistants do examples, get suggestions and approval: Liz and Jana have volunteered to be assistants.
  
*No additions or corrections made to April 11 minutes. [[User:ElizabethSnow|Liz Snow]] 16:09, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
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Nothing further has been done on "Quick" tasks this past 3 weeks.  
  
== Progress reports  ==
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Future "quick" tasks:
  
*Newspapers task. Liz and Jana have been doing this task and have encountered some blips they will explain. [[FamilySearch Wiki:WikiProject Utah Tasks Newspapers#Sign_up_Chart|See remarks]] and/or [https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/FamilySearch_Wiki_talk:WikiProject_Utah_Tasks_Newspapers talk page of Utah Tasks Newspapers]
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*Obituaries
*Some training was done with Jana and Liz as assistants to Wilma.
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*Probate
*[[FamilySearch Wiki:WikiProject Utah Experimental County#Obituaries|Obituaries]] task:
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*Land and property
*Icons for tips: Joy did a few more [[FamilySearch Wiki talk:WikiProject Utah Experimental County#Icons_ready_to_review|experiments]]
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*Court
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*Funeral home records
  
 
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Meeting discussion April 18:[[User:ElizabethSnow|Liz Snow]] 16:09, 18 April 2012 (UTC)  
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=== Vital records (BMD, Div) ===
  
*Decided we need a link from obits topic to newspapers topic on each page.
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[[FamilySearch Wiki:WikiProject Utah Experimental County#Vital_Records|Vital Records]] discussion led by Jana.  
*Also a link from the Utah County Newspaper page to obituary and newspaper sections of that county.
 
*General protocol: each topic on our county pages if too lengthy will link to a separate page for that topic.&nbsp;
 
*Marilyn suggested putting the years covered for each newspaper on the top of the County Newspaper pages. Book at the FHL which gives the year dates.&nbsp;
 
*On newspaper task, continue with task as written, if additional items need to be added to newspaper topic paragraph, then write a new task which includes these items.&nbsp;
 
  
== Idea share  ==
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Summary of minutes:
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*Date or timeline concept giving suggestions based on birth years. Liked by everyone
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*Table concept OK'd. Jana and Liz will play with the columns and headings
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*The purposes of each VR section were discussed
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**1) Our first purpose: help them get a birth date/place, even when the best records (i.e. certificates) did not exist.
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**2) If they can't find it from the major sources, what do they do.
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**3) Then help them get other records that may provide more clues. (How do we move them toward other skills?)
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**4) Then help them know how to deal with clues. Not part of Utah project to write, but to Link only Analyze, see clues, etc. US and Utah VR pages have separate pages on how to use birth, death, marriage.
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*Create a page (or add to the state page) a link to alternative resources and be sure they are well explained in that area. Exceptions that affect a county should be explained within that county. That breakout page is a good place to explain anomalies about collections.
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**Refer to NY VR pages for examples to employ or modify
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**Add a link from Historical Records pages to Utah VR page.
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*We need a footnoting task description. Marilyn has much on this already and will email to Liz, Jana, Wilma.
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*Must-haves on the section:
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**Dates for each county: top of page, but also needed here. Intro statement: County formed in 1856, records start in 1892. (Added after meeting: but keep up their hope of finding something anyway)
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**Also need to tell where originals are. Detailed stuff needs to go at bottom of the table. Or in introductory paragraph before. Can even include the history of where the records are and were.
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**1905 statewide system began. Counties vary. in compliance for each county. At county level is most valuable.
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Assignments: Jana: VR births Liz: VR marriages and Washington County table at top -- check links and dates. Wilma: Newspapers county page: finish, do several county pages, summarize minutes, clear stuff from exper co page to its talk page Marilyn: email her info on footnoting
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<br>Minutes taken during meeting 5/9/12
  
=== Task for brief discussion  ===
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Dates for each county: top of page, but also needed here.
  
Topics that may need less discussion: Leader/assistants do examples, get suggestions and approval: Liz and Jana have volunteered to be assistants.  
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People think certificates have been around forever.  
  
*Obituaries
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Get them going in the right direction
  
<br>
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Intro statement: (disclaimer?) County formed in 1856, records start in 1892.
  
*Do what on state level?
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The purpose is to help people know what they need to do for when the records did not exist.
  
Future "quick" tasks:
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Not so much repitition, put a link to another area where it can be explained more. Alternatives/Subs especially for early times. It will be the same in most, with exceptions.
  
*Probate
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1905 statewide system began. Counties vary. in compliance for each county. At county level is most valuable.
*Land and property
 
*Court
 
*Funeral home records
 
  
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Breakout page is good place to explain about anomallys such as ssdi covers 1961? Useful for back to 1880s
  
Discussion: [[User:ElizabethSnow|Liz Snow]] 16:10, 18 April 2012 (UTC)
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Utah VR page is very good. US VR page is very good. Refer to it. Refer to NY VR also.
  
*Didn't discuss obituaries or probate, land &amp; property, court and funeral home records. We will discuss these when Wilma returns.
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Utah Substitute VR page. - or expand what is already there.&nbsp;Explanation about each of them.  
  
=== Vital records (BMD, Div)  ===
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Additional resources for records", "Also search", Explanation somewhere: why are you making me search this record?
  
*County level
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They just want the date: how can we help them move beyond just the date?
  
*State level
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1) Our first purpose: help them get a birth date/place. 2) If they can't find it from the major sources, what do they do. 3) Then help them get other records that may provide more clues.  
**In the Wiki contributors mtg Tues 17 Apr (Wilma gone) they presented the NY project as being done well and refered us to town page for an example..but I switch to county ([https://www.familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/Dutchess_County,_New_York Dutchess])....I thought they had some really good structure thoughts for the vital records section that we may want to consider. One thing they didn't do, that I would have done was make the vital records section a separate page. [[User:JanaStokes|JanaStokes]] 22:33, 17 April 2012 (UTC) <br>
 
  
<br>Future:
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Also need to tell where originals are. Detailed stuff needs to go at bottom of the table. Can even include the history of where the records are and were. Or in introductory paragraph before.
  
#Cemeteries
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Link on Historical Records page back to Utah VR page. Utah VR page needs links to analyze, etc. Also, collection anomallies. Where do those belong? Where the record is described should have these anomalies.
#Church
 
#Libraries <br>
 
  
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4) Then help them know how to deal with clues. Link only Analyze, see clues, etc. US pages have separate pages on how to use birth, death, marriage.
  
Meeting discussion: [[User:ElizabethSnow|Liz Snow]] 16:10, 18 April 2012 (UTC)<br>Ideas for info on county page or having a separate page for Vital Records topic section:
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Column headings? Assignments: Jana - birth, Liz - Mg, Wilma Newspapers, move minutes to talk page. Get Lois on the Newspaper task for feedback. (Jana did talk to someone who is willing to give it a go) Here what they are thinking, where they are going. Don't tell them to press anything. Have here explain what she thinks is happening, but not what should happen. Liz will do Washington County table and links.
  
*start on county page and if topic gets too large, then link to separate page
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Marilyn: box elder co, one went to Brigham City stuff with Family History Centers. (The Utah project does not impact FHC pages, for the most part.) We need a footnote task description. MJM has been writing some stuff and will email it to all three of us. Based on Chicago Manual of Style w/influence from Elizabeth Shown Mills Quick list.
*need a general intro paragraph about general vital records and substitute records, then have links to other pages  
 
*if problem arises where general public is adding info that makes topic too long, we could put a sentence that says "please add more info to other page". Then put link to other page.&nbsp;
 
*may consider a "gardener" for pages to keep watch and move "weeds"&nbsp;to other applicable pages.&nbsp;
 
*decision to discuss topics for Vital Records section next meeting.&nbsp;
 
  
 
== Future meetings  ==
 
== Future meetings  ==

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Agenda

Introductions



Anyone new to this meeting?

Meeting Participants:

Jana, Marilyn, Liz, Wilma
Excused: Maren Jeppson, Lois Fowles, Patsy Hendrickson 

News and Events

  • 1940 Census Help UGA's project with FamilySearch Indexing.
  • Creation of Utah Wiki Project Forum (date to be announced- but soon Forums were changed yesterday -- there is a thread for Wiki Projects. There is a new subforum. Put up a page in the wiki and thread in forums.

Review of last meeting


Progress reports

  • See current "Tip" icon: Utah Newspapers What do you think?
  • Newspapers task: Several counties done, soon will be testing the instructions on new people (who could turn out to be contributors. A bigger purpose is to make the task instructions "doable," in case others want to do the same for their states or counties.
  • Three meetings with Jana, Liz, and Wilma. Our objective is to get something started on a topic, so people in the regular meeting can respond, give feedback, add ideas, suggest resources. We also organize notes from previous discussions so we can move forward steadily.
  • Ideas for formatting Vital Records have been set forth. More in the discussion area.


Idea share

Review wording, etc. for the county newspaper page.

Task for brief discussion

Topics that may need less discussion: Leader/assistants do examples, get suggestions and approval: Liz and Jana have volunteered to be assistants.

Nothing further has been done on "Quick" tasks this past 3 weeks.

Future "quick" tasks:

  • Obituaries
  • Probate
  • Land and property
  • Court
  • Funeral home records


Vital records (BMD, Div)

Vital Records discussion led by Jana.

Summary of minutes:

  • Date or timeline concept giving suggestions based on birth years. Liked by everyone
  • Table concept OK'd. Jana and Liz will play with the columns and headings
  • The purposes of each VR section were discussed
    • 1) Our first purpose: help them get a birth date/place, even when the best records (i.e. certificates) did not exist.
    • 2) If they can't find it from the major sources, what do they do.
    • 3) Then help them get other records that may provide more clues. (How do we move them toward other skills?)
    • 4) Then help them know how to deal with clues. Not part of Utah project to write, but to Link only Analyze, see clues, etc. US and Utah VR pages have separate pages on how to use birth, death, marriage.
  • Create a page (or add to the state page) a link to alternative resources and be sure they are well explained in that area. Exceptions that affect a county should be explained within that county. That breakout page is a good place to explain anomalies about collections.
    • Refer to NY VR pages for examples to employ or modify
    • Add a link from Historical Records pages to Utah VR page.
  • We need a footnoting task description. Marilyn has much on this already and will email to Liz, Jana, Wilma.
  • Must-haves on the section:
    • Dates for each county: top of page, but also needed here. Intro statement: County formed in 1856, records start in 1892. (Added after meeting: but keep up their hope of finding something anyway)
    • Also need to tell where originals are. Detailed stuff needs to go at bottom of the table. Or in introductory paragraph before. Can even include the history of where the records are and were.
    • 1905 statewide system began. Counties vary. in compliance for each county. At county level is most valuable.

Assignments: Jana: VR births Liz: VR marriages and Washington County table at top -- check links and dates. Wilma: Newspapers county page: finish, do several county pages, summarize minutes, clear stuff from exper co page to its talk page Marilyn: email her info on footnoting


Minutes taken during meeting 5/9/12

Dates for each county: top of page, but also needed here.

People think certificates have been around forever.

Get them going in the right direction

Intro statement: (disclaimer?) County formed in 1856, records start in 1892.

The purpose is to help people know what they need to do for when the records did not exist.

Not so much repitition, put a link to another area where it can be explained more. Alternatives/Subs especially for early times. It will be the same in most, with exceptions.

1905 statewide system began. Counties vary. in compliance for each county. At county level is most valuable.

Breakout page is good place to explain about anomallys such as ssdi covers 1961? Useful for back to 1880s

Utah VR page is very good. US VR page is very good. Refer to it. Refer to NY VR also.

Utah Substitute VR page. - or expand what is already there. Explanation about each of them.

Additional resources for records", "Also search", Explanation somewhere: why are you making me search this record?

They just want the date: how can we help them move beyond just the date?

1) Our first purpose: help them get a birth date/place. 2) If they can't find it from the major sources, what do they do. 3) Then help them get other records that may provide more clues.

Also need to tell where originals are. Detailed stuff needs to go at bottom of the table. Can even include the history of where the records are and were. Or in introductory paragraph before.

Link on Historical Records page back to Utah VR page. Utah VR page needs links to analyze, etc. Also, collection anomallies. Where do those belong? Where the record is described should have these anomalies.

4) Then help them know how to deal with clues. Link only Analyze, see clues, etc. US pages have separate pages on how to use birth, death, marriage.

Column headings? Assignments: Jana - birth, Liz - Mg, Wilma Newspapers, move minutes to talk page. Get Lois on the Newspaper task for feedback. (Jana did talk to someone who is willing to give it a go) Here what they are thinking, where they are going. Don't tell them to press anything. Have here explain what she thinks is happening, but not what should happen. Liz will do Washington County table and links.

Marilyn: box elder co, one went to Brigham City stuff with Family History Centers. (The Utah project does not impact FHC pages, for the most part.) We need a footnote task description. MJM has been writing some stuff and will email it to all three of us. Based on Chicago Manual of Style w/influence from Elizabeth Shown Mills Quick list.

Future meetings

Meetings will be held on Wednesdays at 9:00 a.m.

Next week:

  • Progress reports
  • To be determined by the group

To discuss soon:

Tasks for:

  • Vital records setup: making ready for items to be entered
  • Cemetery records
  • Church records
  • Funeral home records
  • Land and property
  • Probate
  • Court
  • Provide context continued
  • Tip Bank continued.