Community Meeting Agenda 19 January 2010

The recording for this meeting is now available online. Meeting ID is 9111

To Attend the Meeting:

We used MeetingPlace for the first time this week. The recording was easy to do and is now available in several formats (see above). The system easily called my phone and connected me immediately to the meeting. My experience as the facilitator of the meeting was very positive. I will continue to use MeetingPlace for the Community Meeting. If anyone has objections, please let me know. - Fran 18:56, 20 January 2010 (UTC)

= Agenda and Notes =

Join Wiki Community Maintenance Projects
Stay informed and help the wiki grow by joining one or more community projects that will help the wiki be the best it can be! We invite you to report in future Community Meetings on your activities in the project you choose to join. The follow projects are ready and waiting for your participation:


 * Help develop the Manual of Style
 * Help develop the Dispute resolution
 * Help welcome and train new authors in the Wiki by joining the Welcoming committee
 * Help answer questions in the FamilySearch Wiki Forum
 * Add or help monitor Maintenance Templates on pages in the wiki as needed
 * Help convert portal pages to un-portal pages
 * Help with solving Unresolved issues that are listed on the Category:Unresolved page
 * Help fix the pages that have double redirects
 * Help by linking dead end pages
 * Help merge articles - when two or more articles contain the same or similar content they are flagged for review and possible merging
 * Help create awareness of the maintenance tasks by developing the FamilySearch Wiki:Maintenance page with directions and links to categories, templates, and other pages that describe the maintenance process on the wiki.
 * Create the Maintenance navigational template similar to the one found on Wikipedia for inclusion on the FamilySearch Wiki:Maintenance page
 * The last item on our list is one of the most important things you can do to help the wiki: Recruit - we need more users like you! Help others come to the wiki and get involved! The wiki will improve with each new user who is willing to help with the development of the processes needed to help the wiki grow!

Current Status of the New Login
Log in problem - please refer to discussion page. Also note that the current status of all known CIS log-in migration issues are documented in the FamilySearch Wiki Technical Support Forum. The Known Issues page identifies the issues and includes either a resolved or unresolved status.


 * Log-in not possible - resolved
 * Sign-in Fix for IE6/7/8
 * Log-in is much worse
 * Security certificate problem
 * After sign-in, user is redirected to special page
 * User signs in as themselves, but are signed in as someone else - resolved
 * Session time-out - short term resolution in testing
 * "My watchlist" is gone (for some) - resolved
 * Combine options still remains after combining is completed (this issue is related to the session time-out, see above)
 * Issues related to 3+ accounts being combined - resolved
 * Lost history/edits after combining accounts - resolved
 * "My contributions" is empty (for some?) - resolved

Community Involvement in the Design Process
Please sign your name here if you are interested in previewing the new category widget which is currently being designed for implementation on the wiki. The widget will help make it easier for users to add categories to pages in the wiki. The meeting will be conducted through MeetingPlace by Fran at a time other than Tuesday's Community Meeting. Sign here with three ~ tildes:


 * dsammy and it is going to be a problem specifically for me for any other times and you know who I am.
 * Thomas_Lerman (Thank you for updating the instructions. I presume you still want suggested time and date) flexible with advanced notice

Glitch??
I am seeing this all over in both Firefox and IE: Baker County, Oregon (change to any other page such as Germany, Pennsylvania, etc and still see it) 1 [edit] 2 [edit]

This started showing up last week. There aren't any comments about it in Wiki's Known Issues or in the Forums about this sudden appearance.

What's strange about it, "Edit" is displayed even if I am not signed in.

?? dsammy 07:05, 19 January 2010 (UTC)


 * I am not sure I understand the first part. I understand that "Edit" is showing up whether someone is signed in or not. I would guess this started with the single sign-in as it does take one to the right page for signing on. That should be an easy thing to fix, but I personally would consider it a lower priority. Thomas_Lerman 16:02, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * It's not in sign in bar or in nav. It's in the page itself. It's gone when you click on (edit) and get the message saying I am not signed in. Then it is gone. dsammy 18:09, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Well, "Edit" should not appear when the user is not signed on anyway. What is gone? I tried (on the latest version of Firefox)
 * Going to Baker County, Oregon, while not signed in, and click on "Edit" (the link really should not be there)
 * Sign in
 * Make sure I am at Baker County, Oregon again and the page is still there whether I "Edit" or not.
 * Is that what you are doing with different results or am I still not understanding what you are saying? Thomas_Lerman 18:20, 19 January 2010 (UTC)
 * Were you thinking "Edit" being in nav bar or in blue sign in bar at top? The "Edit"s I mentioned were below the sign in bar and above the stub This article is a stub. You can help FamilySearch Wiki by expanding it. (some articles have another line above the stub such as this disambig stub link "This article is about a northwest Oregon county. For other uses, see Baker." By the way, the mysterious edits are gone after I clicked on them.
 * It sounds like we are making progress with getting down to the needed details. I am talking about the only "Edit" that is on the page . . . between the top banner and the search box. Your description sounds like you may be using a different skin . . . which skin are you using? Thomas_Lerman 19:35, 19 January 2010 (UTC)

Follow-up
What caused the problem with the CSS pages not loading correctly?

Chat from Call

 * dsammy (Guest): im not seeing video
 * Thomas Lerman: DSammy, without Fran here yet, none of us have video.
 * Laralee (Guest): I can't hear DSammy's person
 * cottrells (Guest): http://forums.familysearch.org/en/showthread.php?t=1670
 * cottrells (Guest): thread about CSS edit issue
 * Thomas Lerman: Jimmy, I found the forum thread, sorry. I did not realize it was the same.
 * Jimmy Parker (Guest): No problem, Thomas
 * Laralee (Guest): A Church News or Ensign article about the research wiki - like there was one on indexing a year or so ago?
 * Debbie (Guest): I second that one Laralee
 * dsammy (Guest): reminder to all, dont forget 20 minutes kick outs without any action!
 * cottrells (Guest): post a message on the LDSTech forum/wiki which will reach tech minded people
 * cottrells (Guest): http://twitter.com/ask_fran
 * Laralee (Guest): might be worth demo'ing here then having separate meetings for those who want to be more involved
 * cottrells (Guest): I like that idea Laralee
 * dsammy (Guest): nervous abt time for norway problem
 * Debbie (Guest): Sounds good to me!
 * cottrells (Guest): https://wiki.familysearch.org/en/MediaWiki_talk:Sitenotice

Out of curiosity, when was the decision reached in the 08 Sep 2009 meeting rescinded concerning taking of meeting notes? I personally do not believe the chat sufficiently covers the discussions that are verbal. Thomas_Lerman 22:15, 19 January 2010 (UTC)


 * Nothing was rescinded. For the most part, I've been the sole person to add agenda items, and taking notes from my own agenda items has been difficult to do while trying to watch the chat, and run the meeting. I've captured the chat so we can follow the links and other items brought up in the chat as needed.


 * May I suggest that others take notes in your case? It seems like cases may exists that people may be unable to attend the meeting, etc. and others can take notes. Thomas_Lerman 19:10, 20 January 2010 (UTC)