User talk:Lembley/sandbox1

County Courthouse
(should be removed unless the county courthouse info cannot be contained within the county info box)

(I didn't write this one above, but the correct comment would be "Remove if already included in infobox, but leave in if there's additional offices.)Dsammy 20:45, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Historical Facts
(latest version is very acceptable to many and it make more sense, this latest version of heading was never brought up before months ago.) Dsammy 20:45, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Parent County
Change to Counties if more than 1 county. Dsammy 20:45, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Neighboring Counties
Populated Places and Neighboring Counties are being replaced with Locality templates (already done A to C counties) Dsammy 20:45, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Records and Resources
Since Resources also refer to the records, too, isn't it redundant? Dsammy 20:45, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Census
Since Illinois has state census, has to add these two subheadings in appropriate places. Dsammy 20:45, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Federal
before the population template

State
after the template

Court Records
(corrected heading Dsammy 20:45, 16 June 2011 (UTC))

Ethnic Groups
(When there are significant records available for ethnic groups in a county, this topic and all it's subtopics should be moved to above Places / Localities and become Level 2 and 3 headings.)

What's the magic number?

I liked this idea immediately when someone mentioned it in Contributors' Meeting yesterday. What constitutes "significant records available?" That is, how would a contributor know when to move the Ethnic Groups section out of the Resources section to become a heading on the same level as Resources? It reminds me of fifth grade when my teacher was teaching me how to write an outline. She taught me rules around how many items are required before they get their own heading. I think the magic number was three. Then years later my ninth-grade teacher said it only takes one. So what's our magic number? RitcheyMT 19:20, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

I disagree with subsuming ethnicity within localities. There could be an article about influx of groups over time that might include a mix (say, southern and eastern European immigrants coming to work in the mines in the 20th century would be common in southern IL and southern WV, but not necessarily elsewhere). There could be a summary of ethnicity shown in US Census statistics. (frostfire12 9 Jun 2011)

I also think specific groups should not be listed. If there is specific material, headings can be added. In general I think the hugely space-consuming outline at top of page should be minimized and the font much smaller. (frostfire12 9 Jun 2011)


 * I think the purpose of having the ethnic groups section is for where there are significant record sets, i.e. where you might look in a specific place for records for this group, look here. To me it does make sense to make it a separate section because of how prevalent it was for the groups to stick together and create their own records. But if they integrated in with the rest of the local population in a county and didn't keep their own record sets, it probably wouldn't make sense to have it as a section on those pages.janellv 05:29, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

Land and Property
(corrected heading Dsammy 20:45, 16 June 2011 (UTC))

Military
exact name of heading is still debatable - Military History and Records or Military History or Military Records. Dsammy 20:45, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

(IRAD has an index to collections for six different wars, plus records for Soldiers and Sailors home, etc. See the list of Databasesof Illinios Vetererans to see what wars and what records exist.)

War of 1812
(This should appear in St. Clair and Randolph County pages, and any counties with soldiers listed in the Database of Illinois War of 1812 Veterans.)

Probate Records
(Remember to check the Illinois, Probate Records, 1819-1970 to see if this county has digitized probate records available.)

Vital Records
since it's Illinois - add 3 sub-headings Dsammy 20:45, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Societies and Libraries
Not accurate heading since they have own libraries alongside the museums and can be confusing with "Archives and Libraries". Societies are allowed to have own page, aren't they? Dsammy 20:45, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

IRAD Depository
too big section - best off as own page and revelant records under their own heading or sub-heading since same records can be found outside of IRAD and create pointer link to this one page instead for information about IRAD. Dsammy 20:45, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

Public Libraries
Preference is for ===Archives and Libraries===