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| − | == Could the title of the Topics box ==
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| − | Could the title of the Topics box be changed to read '''Countries''' instead? [[User:RitcheyMT|Ritcheymt]] 09:51, 20 February 2008 (MST)
| + | == changing the Main Page? == |
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| − | Great suggestion, but we'll wait to make any changes. [[User:GreeneJR|Jimgreene]] 21:25, 26 September 2009 (UTC)
| + | Today we changed the Main Page, instead of putting a new Featured Article up we put up a WikiProject, what do you think about that? We like the idea because then the project isn't buried. What if we had Featured Articles and one WikiProject each week on the Main Page? [[User:HoleDL|Dawne]] 17:32, 15 August 2011 (UTC) [[FamilySearch Wiki:Featured Article Committee|Featured Article Committee Member]] |
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| + | A guide on how to get the best results from a search would be appreciated, i.e., is order importent, what triggers the search, how are the words searched for prioritized? I ask this as I searched for LDS membership records in England in the 1800s. All I got was various demoninations in the USA. I just don't understand how the algorithm works. <span style="font-size: 90%">— Preceding [[FamilySearch Wiki:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Laytonr1|Laytonr1]] ([[User talk:Laytonr1|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Laytonr1|contribs]]) 04:37, October 28, 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned --> |
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| − | Suggestion: Please add Canada to the main page. Adkinswh 3:12, 9 May 2009<br>
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| − | == News for one country ==
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| − | It seems to me that news items related to just one country should be added to the country page. There has been discussion about changing the individual country pages to portal pages but news items could be added there now and moved to the portal page layout when that change is finalized.<br>
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| − | [[User:Darris|Darris]] 11:40, 26 December 2007 (MST)
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| − | == Quick guides ==
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| − | This recommendation involves all geographic locations, which is why I'm discussing it here.
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| − | Is it possible to add "quick guides" that place resources in order of priority/preference that reflect methodologies pertinent to that particular location? These would supplement, rather than replace, existing Record Selection Tables.
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| − | == Front page needs fixing? ==
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| − | It looks as if the front page needs fixing , in the top box I see "== ==" at the top of the box. And I can not edit the page?
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| − | Also in the "Featured Article" box the first sentence in bold "From the Artricle: Family Group Record: Roadmap for Researchers." has the word "Article" mispelled.
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| − | [[User:Davide|davide]] 22:54, 4 August 2008 (UTC)
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| − | == '''Yes, it needs fixing.''' ==
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| − | Dave, you're absolutely right! I hope someone can fix that for me.
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| − | Also, what do you think of the new home page layout and graphic? An associate and I have been assigned by the WIKI team to design a new home page.
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| − | A problem we are having is that a lot of people coming to the Wiki for the first time don't understand its purpose. They think that they should be able to type in a person's name and find his or her records. Of course they are disappointed. The team wants the new page to make it clear that the WIKI is a place for instructions, not records. This is challenging given that most people only spend 3 to 5 seconds when browsing new sites before they move on. So, what do you think? Does the new layout ''quickly'' convey the Wiki's purpose? | + | |
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| − | Also, can you check out the instructions for [[How to author an article in the Wiki|authoring and article]] and [[Edit a page|editing an article]]? I've been working on them too.
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| − | I look forward to your response with ''great'' interest.
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| − | :Fred, Sorry I can not edit the front page! It will have to be someone with permission to edit it. The front page is fine and I would not spend to much time on it, as the content of the wiki is more important. If these people are searching for records, then modify the search results box to always show a place to go (say: the front page of http://www.familysearch.org/ or even http://pilot.familysearch.org/ ) to search for names and and the same for records. Mostly because those people are at the stage where they just want results and later on may realize that they need to do some reading in order to find the information they need. So work at their level and remember what it was like to start searching. In short the wiki should be directed at those people who have moved on to a more researched method of searching for their ancestors.
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| − | [[User:Davide|davide]] 22:51, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
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| − | == Spelling error - countires ==
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| − | Could someone correct a typo on the Main Page? Under Countries: Learn how to research in different countires. Thanks.
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| − | Fixed [[User:Davide|davide]] 07:41, 7 August 2008 (UTC)
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| − | == Guided Practice ==
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| − | The news of 24 June 2008 announces that train<span id="fck_dom_range_temp_1219153543252_145" />ing modules called "Guided Practice" are available but it doesn't link to these training modules. When "Guided Practice" is entered as a search term, the only close match is to the User Group Meeting of 18 June 2008--which requires even more clicks to be able to find because it's archived.
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| − | In order for this to be more useful for new contributors to the wiki, I suggest: 1) that a link be created from the new announcement or within the Getting Started page, 2) That it is mentioned that "Guided Practice" is currently available for X topics, and 3) That it be linked to a category or something that will allow it to be found with a general search.
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| − | [[User:Pipkincm|Genguide]] 13:53, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
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| − | == Looks Great ==
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| − | Looks clean and professional. Only Issues I can see is that the navigation is on the left hand side. Please provide an option to have it on the right. Also the portal pages really look squeezed, maybe the template needs to be tweaked to make them [http://css-tricks.com/the-perfect-fluid-width-layout/ fluid] (eg: use a hundred percent of the browser area.) [[User:Davide|davide]] 04:20, 18 September 2008 (UTC)
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| − | == Barn raising schedule? ==
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| − | Is there a schedule for barn raising campaigns? Knowing the schedule it would be possible to recruit interested folks in some advance. I'm particularly interested in the countries of former Austria-Hungary. Thanks!
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| − | This is only our second barn raising event, and we're learning each time. I'm sure this will be taken into consideration for future barn raisings. I also note that Maryland is going to be for just over six weeks, and I assume that will be the case for England as well, although no firm date has been set for that to end. And just because a barn raising period might end at a certain date does not mean one should not continue to contribute, this wiki is intended to be able to be udated at any time something comes along that is new, or as any item becomes outdated. [[User:JamesAnderson|JamesAnderson]] 06:43, 4 February 2009 (UTC)
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| − | == Main Page Use ==
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| − | From the date of the last entry it does not look like people use this page very much. Any one have and answer to that question.
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| − | == Using the Summary box ==
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| − | When changes are made to this page, or any page in the wiki, the use of the '''Summary''' box to briefly explain what changes were made are very helpful. Otherwise, readers are searching for the new content, wondering what was changed. There is a [[Help:Edit summary|Help]] article in the wiki that explains the use of the [[Help:Edit summary|Edit Summary]] box available on all pages when viewing them in edit mode. --[[User:JensenFA|Fran]] 20:09, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
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| − | | <!--column1--><center>{{Click|Image:Brandenburger Tor Blaue Stunde.jpg|Germany|Germany|size=155x117px}}<br>[[Germany]]</center>As a result of wars and political realignments, the internal and external boundaries of Germany have changed . . .
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| − | | <!--column2--><center><center>{{Click|Image:Liberty-statue-from-below.jpg|New York Census|New York Census|size=155x117px}}<br>[[New York Census]]</center>Census takers enumerated Manhattan (New York County) twice in 1870 . . .</center>
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| − | **[[Maryland]]
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| − | **[[Yorkshire Probate Records|Yorkshire Probate]]
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| − | **[[A Guide to Research|How to start researching your family]]
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| − | | <!--column1--><center>{{Click|Image:Pacific island scene.jpg|Pacific Island Guide to Family History Research|Pacific Island Guide to Family History Research|size=155x105px}}<br>[[Pacific Island Guide to Family History Research]]</center>Because Pacific Island family history is based largely on an oral tradition . . .
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| − | <center>FamilySearch Wiki [[FamilySearch Wiki:Policies|Policies]] & [[FamilySearch Wiki:Guiding Principles|Guiding Principles]]</center>
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| − | This mock-up does not include background images, header (logo & sign in/out), or footer (about us, contact us, licenses, AddThis widget), or [[#Side_bar_mock-up|side-bar (another section)]].
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| − | I have created this mock-up based upon Kara's mock-up based upon the study group she had. More tweaking is needed . . . this is really more about layout. I know some adjustments are needed with images and some links. It also does not have the suggested changes to the side-bar which includes the navigation.
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| − | [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 23:10, 8 March 2010 (UTC) | + | |
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| − | :How about the "buttons" being the color of the footer (where "About Us", "Contact Us", etc. are) and the "Featured Articles" & "Toolbox" being the color of the header (where the FamilySearch logo and Sign In/Out is). This would allow the "buttons" to still have normal link colors and add some other color to the other boxes? The thing I do not like about the "buttons" is that they do not necessarily look like links. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 00:43, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :I have tweaked all of the images. The only thing left here are the "buttons". The number of images on the top has increased from 3 to 5. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 23:00, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
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| − | *Buttons: I personally prefer the ones in Option #1 and #2 as they still look and act like links.
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| − | *Headings: I suppose it is six of one and a half dozen of the other (between #1 & #2). Maybe #2 just slightly more as it stands out.
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| − | What do you think? [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 23:54, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
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| − | There are several images at the top of the page that at first I thought were just images. Then I moved the mouse over an image and discovered they were actually links that would take me somewhere else in the Wiki. After hovering over each image to read the labels, I couldn't remember what each image was linked to, so I had to hover over the images again to figure out where they would take me. The images in-an-of-themselves don't communicate a specific feature or page in the Wiki. Overall, the whole page design is busy. Lots to look at. Too many choices. --[[User:JensenFA|Fran]] 18:49, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Great comments. Those 5 images do not really need to go anywhere if we do not want to. Just thought I would try that out for fun and get a reaction. I imagine we will get all sorts of responses . . . this makes both ends of the spectrum represented (very clean & easy to follow -to- busy & too many choices). All responses are appreciated. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 02:50, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
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| − | <blockquote>Hey, pretty cool! I sure like it better than the "bland" one we have there now. I like the visuals for the featured articles. And I like the boxes with topics at the right for hidden treasures, etc. It's inviting to read more.</blockquote>
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| − | <blockquote>oh I forgot to give you feedback from the professional (writing for the church for 8 years and big into advertising etc) - he said to:
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| − | #make the buttons (the four boxes that are links: How to Genealogy, How to Wiki, Community Center, & Community News) - or where you want people to go the darker color. He would reverse the color schemes
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| − | #make the labels of the featured articles and hidden treasure in smaller font and lighter color
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| − | #He liked the community center page better :) . . . had almost no changes for it
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| − | #he said you want the darker color to be on where you want people to go - their eyes will go to the darker colors first
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| − | [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 17:21, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
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| − | :Concerning Kara's comments on | + | :Hi, I'm guessing your question is not specifically about searching in the wiki, but the main search of [[FamilySearch.org]]. Your question would therefore be better directed to one of the [https://www.familysearch.org/learn/forums/en/forumdisplay.php?f=82 FamilySearch.org forums] as it is likely there to attract more attention to the people in the know. That being said I recently found a blog post, ''[http://britishheritage4um.blogspot.com/2011/08/ten-powerful-search-features-in.html TEN POWERFUL “SEARCH” FEATURES IN THE FAMILYSEARCH.ORG SEARCH ENGINE!]'' which you may find useful. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 20:00, 28 October 2011 (UTC) |
| − | :#I can make them images go nowhere or put text below. I mostly did the links for the fun of it.
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| − | :#The problem with changing the colors on the "buttons" is that the link color may not be so obvious. I am hoping to be able to do something slightly different soon.
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| − | :[[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 18:49, 16 March 2010 (UTC)
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| − | The top five photos in the mockup take up a lot of real estate, make the home page too busy, and don't serve any function. Some are old and some are modern, which also leaves me puzzled. I think we should learn from the current home page of [http://www.wikihow.com/Main-Page# WikiHow]. We should get images that depict the top three things people should do on our site and feature these three things like WikiHow features their big ''Learn'', ''Write'', and ''Wiki'' buttons. [[User:RitcheyMT|RitcheyMT]] 03:50, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
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| − | <blockquote>They do serve a function. While they are missing the captions, each of the five phots is a link (thanks to Thomas Lerman's expert wikitext coding). There are two reasons people visit the wik (in my mind): to find out things (read) and to contribute (write). Reading takes in both Beginning Research (I wonder if anyone who is beginning their research will ever visit the wiki before they start?) and searching for pages dealing with their research areas. The "Wiki" button isn't about wiki's but how to contribute, including editing. All lot of this is semantics, but for newbies, we have to speak their language. [[User:Tomhuber|Tom Huber]] 04:51, 19 March 2010 (UTC)</blockquote>
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| − | ::Oh, okay, I now see (as I mouse over the photos) that each one leads to a certain wiki page. But as Tom Huber mentions, these images don't have captions saying where they lead. If I had to have the function of these photo/links explained to me, what does that say about their intuitiveness?
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| − | ::When one creates a link in a Website, is a photo and some mouseover text enough to create an intuitive user navigation experience? Or should the image/link include a visible text caption so users can tell where it points?
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| − | ::Vincent Flanders, an author of Website design books, coined a term to describe any link in a Website that requires the user to mouse over the link before he can decipher where it will lead. Flanders calls this "mystery meat navigation." The term refers us back to our childhood days in the school cafeteria when they'd serve us some kind of processed meat but nobody could tell what kind it was by looking at it. Flanders recommends that every image-based link should have visible text (not just mouseover text) that says where the link will lead. I seem to recall that many other Web designers agree with Flanders.
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| − | ::I believe that in this case, adding text to these photographic links may be necessary for another reason. I, for one, just am not smart enough to tell by looking at these pictures where they are going to lead. The photos just don't speak to me as if they were intuitive icons in a piece of software. When I'm in MS Word and I see an icon that looks like a printer, I know that button means "print." But looking at the FSWiki mockup, when I see the picture of the grinning lady with the basket on her head, I can't predict that it'll link to a page for new wiki users. So it seems to me at this moment that the need to add captions to these link/images may be twofold: First, some users like me aren't smart enough to guess where the current photos might lead. Second, Web design gurus say that image links should have captions so that folks like me who aren't smart enough to guess where the images will lead won't have to mouse over each one to find out. [[User:RitcheyMT|RitcheyMT]] 21:15, 22 March 2010 (UTC)
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| − | This is first navigation box that they see.
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| − | *Wiki Tour is a new page?
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| − | *Community & Forums would go to an article discussing
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| − | *I would LOVE to see a "page" be called an "article". I believe page sounds like a web page and article sounds more user friendly, like a newspaper article. This may something to be done with the main namespace? We do want to be consistent though to avoid confusion. Some indicate that some pages are not articles...like portal pages, tools, charts. I would like to see examples of those besides portals as they are going away. At this point, I personally say that a newspaper may have an "article" of a chart, picture, tools, etc. so why can we not? Not that we have to function just like Wikipedia, but they also call them articles.
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| − | *Discussion or Talk? This seems to be an inconsistency! Also, same for "My Talk".
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| − | *How about changing button to "Keyword search"???
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| − | *Browsing is a form of searching. Put Country & Category on same line. Used "Category" instead of "Topic" to be consistent.
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| − | *Instead of having name, how about "My User Page".
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| − | Please add your comments. [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 20:03, 11 March 2010 (UTC)
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| − | I like what you've done. I've tossed in my comments in various spots below. In regards to the top box: I would rename Help to "Getting Started", since it navigates to the Help Options page. I would not have been as lost if Help had been called Getting Started, when I wanted to create my first page or was looking for all the help categories. [[User:Tomhuber|Tom Huber]] 04:32, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
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| − | Box 5 Personal Tools - Instead of having name, how about "My User Page" ... If every user's page was labeled "My User Page" then I wouldn't know whose page I was viewing. I'm sure that I would recognize my own user page, but determining who was who on other user pages might be difficult. --[[User:JensenFA|Fran]] 18:23, 13 March 2010 (UTC)
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| | + | <br> I am fairly sure this person is NOT speaking about FamilySearch.org but about Wiki FamilySearch as I tried the same subject also, and although I did find one article about one county in England, the rest of the references were to places in the United States. Again it would be helpful to have a Guide to getting the best results out of searching the Wiki, especially when trying to help patrons. Marling McReynolds, Miranda Branch, Eureka CA stake. |
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| − | :I am not sure that I understand . . . the items in that box are YOUR personal tools. It ALWAYS goes to YOUR User Page (this text never changes for any given logged on user) and never goes to someone else's user page. You can always tell whose page you are by the title of the page. In other words, the suggestion was made to only change the user name in Personal Tools to "My User Page", not anywhere else. Am I confused (I know I need more sleep)? [[User:Thomas Lerman|Thomas_Lerman]] 02:43, 14 March 2010 (UTC)
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| + | I read somewhere an article about a new imaging program the church is using when viewing records. It only showed a protion of a page rather then the whole page. I can't find that information again. Can someone tell me where I can find that info. I want all of our consultants to become familiar with it. <span style="font-size: 90%">— Preceding [[FamilySearch Wiki:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Hoosier1|Hoosier1]] ([[User talk:Hoosier1|talk]] | [[Special:Contributions/Hoosier1|contribs]]) 20:02, November 2, 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned --> |
| − | I'm not even sure we have the option to change this feature from using the User Name to "My User Page" I think that is part of Mediawiki or the skin. [[User:Tomhuber|Tom Huber]] 04:37, 19 March 2010 (UTC) | + | |
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| − | Moving the nav bar from the right to the left will ruin the layout of a lot of pages that have been adjusted since the last move. We do not have time before NGS to correct this. [[User:RitcheyMT|RitcheyMT]] 04:01, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
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| − | I agree that it shouldn't be moved immediately, but to follow Wikipedia's lead, it works better on the left. (The new skin may negate that entirely') [[User:Tomhuber|Tom Huber]] 04:32, 19 March 2010 (UTC)<br>
| + | Images are often changed on the Main Page, which is good. However often the image that is added to the Main Page has only recently been uploaded to the wiki. The problem with this is that due to the wiki using a number of servers, the image when uploaded is not immediately available on all the possible servers. This results in some users finding the newly added image missing and rather than the picture they see a redlink to where the picture has been loaded except that it is not available on the particular server they've connected to. As the Main Page is a high visibility page I suggest that images should only be added to the Main Page only after they have been uploaded to the wiki for a day or so, just to be sure that all servers have been updated with the image. --[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 14:54, 21 January 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | ===== Search button on left, Exact Match on right ===== | + | == Undocumented images == |
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| − | Since Search is the proper search by default, its button should be on the left. [[User:RitcheyMT|RitcheyMT]] 04:04, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
| + | Please continue to change the images on the Main Page frequently. It helps to draw interest among readers. |
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| + | However, especially on the Main Page it is crucial our Wiki's source documentation and copyright status be above question or reproach. Lately, many of the images on the Main Page have '''''not ''''' been source documented, and therefore the copyright status could be called into question. For example, consider today's three images: |
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| − | While the word article is friendlier than page, many, many wiki pages are not articles. [[User:RitcheyMT|RitcheyMT]] 04:17, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
| + | *File:Utah Lake.jpg has no formal source documentation other than "Date: February 2011 Utah Lake Wyzer17" plus the image's Metadata. There is no copyright status claim. Chances are this is Wyzer17's (a Wiki volunteer) own photo, but without proper documentation there is no way to be sure of the copyright status. |
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| − | Agreed. Using page in place of article, particular on help pages, is more descriptive of what the user is working on (not to mention section editing or writing). [[User:Tomhuber|Tom Huber]] 04:32, 19 March 2010 (UTC)<br>
| + | *The "Burned Counties Research" image File:House fire.jpg was changed immediately after I called its copyright status into question this morning. It is now File:800px-FirePhotography edit1.jpg. There is no clue to this image's origin, except it was uploaded by Wyzer17 and it has an Internet news image look about it. It claims a GNU and Creative Commons license but that cannot be verified without extensive research. |
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| + | *File:Boyle County, Kentucky Courthouse.JPG has the following vague source and copyright statement: TITLE: Boyle County, Kentucky Courthouse DATE: RIGHTS STATUS: Has the right to distribute DESCRIPTION: Source: Wikipedia. WIKI: FamilySearch Wiki. Chances are the source is the Wikipedia's article about Boyle County, but no URL link is given to verify this. The copyright statement is meaningless in the Wiki. |
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| − | The [[Browse by Country|Browse by Country]] page, at 4,800 visits per month, is the third most popular page on the wiki, and it has a tiny bounce rate (11%) and a miniscule exit rate (4%?). Removing its link from the nav bar probably isn't a good idea. [[User:RitcheyMT|RitcheyMT]] 04:17, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
| + | For all three images today the source and copyright status can be called into question and should be a concern. I believe we need to do better, especially on this showcase landing page. |
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| − | It would frustrate me if the ''Forums'' link were replaced by a ''Community & Forums'' link that pointed to an article. When I need to go to forums, it's usually to report a bug. Take me straight there, not to an article where I have to hunt again for a link to the forums. [[User:RitcheyMT|RitcheyMT]] 04:25, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
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| − | I don't use the wiki forums link, but have added a favorite to my browser. If I'm on a computer I haven't used before, I'll access the forums from http://labs.familysearch.org/. [[User:Tomhuber|Tom Huber]] 04:32, 19 March 2010 (UTC)<br>
| + | PLEASE, let's insist on properly source documented, and appropriately licensed images especially on the Main Page. |
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| + | [[User:DiltsGD|DiltsGD]] 17:30, 8 February 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | Browsing isn't searching, which is why I missed the Browse By Country link earlier. Please don't hide it under the Search box. [[User:RitcheyMT|RitcheyMT]] 04:29, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
| + | :I agree with David's suggestion/plea. It's important to use the {{tl|Information}} template and to use it as documented. The source field should include a link (if available). The date and author fields should be about when the image/work was created not when and who uploaded it (that information is already captured).--[[User:Cottrells|Steve]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:Cottrells|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/Cottrells|contribs]]}} 08:16, 9 February 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | ===== Leave username; not "My User Page" =====
| + | ::By 13 February the WikiProject Utah image had changed to File:800px-Goblin Valley State Park, Utah.jpg, yet another main page image with a slip-shod source identification. As the image title implies it is about Goblin Valley State Park, and yet the identification statement says it is from Dead Horse Point State Park! The credit is given to Wikipedia with no indication of the article where the image was found. Nor is a URL address for the image given. [[User:DiltsGD|DiltsGD]] 17:31, 13 February 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | Project leaders help users all the time. When doing this, it is useful for the nav bar link that points to the userpage to be a username like [[User:RitcheyMT|RitcheyMT]] rather than the words [[User:RitcheyMT|My User Page]] because helpers and the folks they help keep switching who is logged in during the help session. It'd be a pain to have to scroll up to the top of the page to see who is logged in and then to scroll back down to the bottom to click the link to the userpage.
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| − | Also, that link becomes an IP address for users who aren't logged in. So if I think I'm logged in and I want to go to my userpage, I glance at the link to click it. If it says my username, I click that knowing I'm logged in and I'll go to the right place. If I'm not logged in I'll see an IP address, which tells me to log in, which is helpful. If instead the link said "My User Page," I'd just click the link (thinking I'm still logged in) and end up on an IP userpage, which would just confuse me.
| + | What are the most important elements of the wiki home page? Would you like to be a part of helping to make the Wiki Home page an easier entry point for the different people who use and contribute to the wiki? Chime in [https://www.familysearch.org/learn/forums/en/showthread.php?t=14228 in this forum thread]. -- [[User:VasquezJL|janellv]] {{toolbar|[[User talk:VasquezJL|talk]]|[[Special:Contributions/VasquezJL|contribs]]}} 20:56, 5 March 2012 (UTC) |
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| − | A third reason to preserve the link as a username instead of changing it to "My User Page" is the use case of library useage. If I'm contributing to the wiki from a public computer and I walk away, and someone else sits down, I want them to see that the link in question is going to take them to RitcheyMT's page rather than their user page.
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| − | I'm guessing there are other reasons why MediaWiki is designed that way, but these are the three use cases I could imagine. ;) [[User:RitcheyMT|RitcheyMT]] 04:36, 18 March 2010 (UTC)
| + | Replaced the old blue sky version of this statue because of copyright concerns as indicated in the talk page at {{Commons|User talk:Erasoft24}} last entry indicates probable copyright violation. |
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| − | I think the use of My User Page is just a placeholder. The skins will either display the user's name with a user icon or if th person isn't signed in, they will only see "Sign in" under this heading — at least, that's my experience on these Mediawiki sites. [[User:Tomhuber|Tom Huber]] 04:32, 19 March 2010 (UTC)
| + | This white background image was apparently photographed and uploaded by the author, himself. |
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| − | == Alternative layout for the Main Page ==
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| − | I would like to suggest that the Main Page be reformatted to include a Welcome header with some links to key categories, followed by two main columns divided between ''using'' the wiki on the left and ''contributing'' to the wiki on the right. I feel it is important to emphasise these two main reasons why a person may visit the wiki.
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| + | Removed templates for copyright and source concerns on this page, so that they won't show up on our maintenance list. The person putting images on the Main page now knows how to handle those correctly.[[User:Averyld|Lynda]] 19:42, 21 May 2012 (UTC) |
Today we changed the Main Page, instead of putting a new Featured Article up we put up a WikiProject, what do you think about that? We like the idea because then the project isn't buried. What if we had Featured Articles and one WikiProject each week on the Main Page? Dawne 17:32, 15 August 2011 (UTC) Featured Article Committee Member
A guide on how to get the best results from a search would be appreciated, i.e., is order importent, what triggers the search, how are the words searched for prioritized? I ask this as I searched for LDS membership records in England in the 1800s. All I got was various demoninations in the USA. I just don't understand how the algorithm works. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Laytonr1 (talk | contribs) 04:37, October 28, 2011 (UTC)
I read somewhere an article about a new imaging program the church is using when viewing records. It only showed a protion of a page rather then the whole page. I can't find that information again. Can someone tell me where I can find that info. I want all of our consultants to become familiar with it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hoosier1 (talk | contribs) 20:02, November 2, 2011 (UTC)
Images are often changed on the Main Page, which is good. However often the image that is added to the Main Page has only recently been uploaded to the wiki. The problem with this is that due to the wiki using a number of servers, the image when uploaded is not immediately available on all the possible servers. This results in some users finding the newly added image missing and rather than the picture they see a redlink to where the picture has been loaded except that it is not available on the particular server they've connected to. As the Main Page is a high visibility page I suggest that images should only be added to the Main Page only after they have been uploaded to the wiki for a day or so, just to be sure that all servers have been updated with the image. --Steve (talk| contribs) 14:54, 21 January 2012 (UTC)
Please continue to change the images on the Main Page frequently. It helps to draw interest among readers.
However, especially on the Main Page it is crucial our Wiki's source documentation and copyright status be above question or reproach. Lately, many of the images on the Main Page have not been source documented, and therefore the copyright status could be called into question. For example, consider today's three images:
For all three images today the source and copyright status can be called into question and should be a concern. I believe we need to do better, especially on this showcase landing page.
What are the most important elements of the wiki home page? Would you like to be a part of helping to make the Wiki Home page an easier entry point for the different people who use and contribute to the wiki? Chime in in this forum thread. -- janellv (talk| contribs) 20:56, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
Replaced the old blue sky version of this statue because of copyright concerns as indicated in the talk page at User talk:Erasoft24 last entry indicates probable copyright violation.
This white background image was apparently photographed and uploaded by the author, himself.
Removed templates for copyright and source concerns on this page, so that they won't show up on our maintenance list. The person putting images on the Main page now knows how to handle those correctly.Lynda 19:42, 21 May 2012 (UTC)
